1 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,996 7-Adam-15, we're code 6 at the 911 call location. 2 00:00:20,020 --> 00:00:21,706 Any further contact from the distressed individual? 3 00:00:21,730 --> 00:00:23,036 Negative. 4 00:00:23,060 --> 00:00:24,576 Do you want me to start additional units? 5 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,376 No. Give us a minute to scope it out first. 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,506 - You ready? - Do I have a choice? 7 00:00:29,530 --> 00:00:30,820 That's the spirit. 8 00:00:39,660 --> 00:00:41,596 We've received a distress call from this location. 9 00:00:41,620 --> 00:00:44,210 We are making entry. 10 00:00:46,210 --> 00:00:47,710 Ooh. 11 00:00:51,050 --> 00:00:53,396 Do you feel that? 12 00:00:53,420 --> 00:00:54,397 Feel what? 13 00:00:54,421 --> 00:00:56,566 Something evil's in here. 14 00:00:56,590 --> 00:00:58,390 Well, sure smells like it. 15 00:01:06,020 --> 00:01:09,626 I can't die. 16 00:01:09,650 --> 00:01:14,086 Won't let me die. 17 00:01:14,110 --> 00:01:16,570 Police. Show yourself. 18 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,676 I can't die. It's inside of me. 19 00:01:21,700 --> 00:01:24,056 - It won't let me die. - Don't touch that, all right? 20 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:25,726 Just... call this in. Call it in. 21 00:01:25,750 --> 00:01:27,976 I need an ra to my location for a stabbing victim. 22 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,556 So I usually sit right next to camera 23 00:01:29,580 --> 00:01:30,816 to keep the eyeline tight. 24 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,476 Then I'll just sit on the other side. 25 00:01:32,500 --> 00:01:33,816 No, because then you'll split his look. 26 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,816 - I don't think it matters. - Hey. Hi. 27 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,656 Thanks... thanks again for sitting down with me. 28 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,276 - Us. - What? Right, us. 29 00:01:40,300 --> 00:01:42,446 Why are you filming? 30 00:01:42,470 --> 00:01:44,116 I just wanted to document the new partnership. 31 00:01:44,140 --> 00:01:45,786 Abigail was very excited. 32 00:01:45,810 --> 00:01:47,666 - It's not a partnership. - It's totally a partnership. 33 00:01:47,690 --> 00:01:49,876 - The judge was very clear. - The judge? 34 00:01:49,900 --> 00:01:51,246 My name is Abigail Tierney. 35 00:01:51,270 --> 00:01:53,296 I'm currently trapped inside a secret lab 36 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:54,666 at west view psychiatric. 37 00:01:54,690 --> 00:01:57,256 All attempts at escape have proven fruitless. 38 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,586 I may have inadvertently used some of Abigail's footage 39 00:01:59,610 --> 00:02:02,556 in my last documentary without gaining the proper permissions. 40 00:02:02,580 --> 00:02:05,766 Translation, he stole my intellectual property, 41 00:02:05,790 --> 00:02:08,226 I sued, and the judge gave him a choice... 42 00:02:08,250 --> 00:02:10,306 pay me 200 thou in damages or give me equal partnership 43 00:02:10,330 --> 00:02:11,766 in his next project. 44 00:02:11,790 --> 00:02:13,186 He never said equal, but you know what? 45 00:02:13,210 --> 00:02:14,896 Never mind. 46 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:16,736 Let's focus on the story that we're here to tell. 47 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,050 Have a seat. 48 00:02:19,470 --> 00:02:21,826 Perhaps the most shocking case of murder 49 00:02:21,850 --> 00:02:23,406 and mayhem we've ever seen. 50 00:02:23,430 --> 00:02:24,990 Would you say that's a fair assessment? 51 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:28,246 No, no, stay... stay back. Stay back. Stay back. 52 00:02:28,270 --> 00:02:29,576 - You don't understand. - Ok, relax. 53 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,916 Ok, we're trying to help you. Who stabbed you? 54 00:02:31,940 --> 00:02:33,916 I stabbed myself. 55 00:02:33,940 --> 00:02:36,666 It's inside of me. I've tried everything else. 56 00:02:36,690 --> 00:02:37,876 I can't kill it. 57 00:02:37,900 --> 00:02:40,506 I can't die. See? 58 00:02:40,530 --> 00:02:42,096 No, don't pull that... don't pull it out! 59 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:43,410 God. 60 00:02:45,830 --> 00:02:47,056 He died instantly. 61 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,476 I mean, the wound was fatal. 62 00:02:49,500 --> 00:02:52,356 You can't stab yourself in the heart and survive. 63 00:02:52,380 --> 00:02:56,646 But the way the knife was lodged, he wasn't bleeding. 64 00:02:56,670 --> 00:02:58,396 Once he pulled it out... 65 00:02:58,420 --> 00:03:01,026 - it was blood fountain city. - Not exactly, but... 66 00:03:01,050 --> 00:03:03,236 as shocking as that was, it was far from 67 00:03:03,260 --> 00:03:04,866 the most shocking thing you found. 68 00:03:04,890 --> 00:03:06,196 We should get him to say that 69 00:03:06,220 --> 00:03:07,696 to set up the opening credits. 70 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,456 That's not... we... we don't put words 71 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,230 in people's mouths. It's a documentary. 72 00:03:13,650 --> 00:03:16,820 Yeah, it was, straight-up crazy. 73 00:03:18,190 --> 00:03:20,070 - You don't think... - there's a body in there. 74 00:03:21,820 --> 00:03:23,030 May have finally found it. 75 00:03:24,950 --> 00:03:26,256 Please don't kill us. 76 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:27,966 We will join your cult. 77 00:03:27,990 --> 00:03:29,726 God. 78 00:03:29,750 --> 00:03:32,096 You arrived on scene as the sergeant's supervisor? 79 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:33,396 Yes. 80 00:03:33,420 --> 00:03:35,516 I got there before the ambulance, 81 00:03:35,540 --> 00:03:37,396 not that there was any aid they could have rendered. 82 00:03:37,420 --> 00:03:38,936 Is there a reason you didn't want us 83 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,446 to interview you with Tim? 84 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:41,606 What? 85 00:03:41,630 --> 00:03:45,026 No. We're just... just shaking it up. 86 00:03:45,050 --> 00:03:46,406 Let's... let's... let's stay focused. 87 00:03:46,430 --> 00:03:48,196 Were you the first to recognize the victim? 88 00:03:48,220 --> 00:03:50,326 Sort of. 89 00:03:50,350 --> 00:03:53,206 I thought I knew his face, but it wasn't until 90 00:03:53,230 --> 00:03:54,496 we ran his prints that we got a name. 91 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,456 Rich rowley was retired LAPD. 92 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,416 He had been with the department for 30 years 93 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,006 and was a little bit of a legend, 94 00:04:01,030 --> 00:04:04,296 mostly because he made a series of training videos 95 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,886 from the mid-'90s till his retirement in 2015, 96 00:04:07,910 --> 00:04:11,846 which by modern standards, are a little cringe. 97 00:04:11,870 --> 00:04:13,766 Hey, everybody. Rich rowley here 98 00:04:13,790 --> 00:04:15,920 with another installment of... 99 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,236 Now, today, we're gonna be talking about 100 00:04:20,260 --> 00:04:22,896 proper cuffing technique. 101 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:24,026 Excuse me, officer? 102 00:04:24,050 --> 00:04:26,276 I hurt my shoulder at the gym. 103 00:04:26,300 --> 00:04:28,180 Would you mind cuffing me in front? 104 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,616 Pretty lady like you, 105 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,730 what's the worst that could happen? 106 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,440 - Thank you. - You're welcome. 107 00:04:41,860 --> 00:04:43,336 Rich was a trip. 108 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,336 The life of the party, at least early in his career. 109 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:51,806 Then as the years went on, he became a little, crazy. 110 00:04:51,830 --> 00:04:53,226 Crazy how? 111 00:04:53,250 --> 00:04:55,146 He was deep into conspiracy theories. 112 00:04:55,170 --> 00:04:58,816 He had a real thing for cults and cabals. 113 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:01,186 To be fair, Los Angeles does have a pretty dark history. 114 00:05:01,210 --> 00:05:03,776 But rich took it to the next level, 115 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,196 and his training videos got more 116 00:05:05,220 --> 00:05:06,616 and more intense because of it. 117 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,326 We finally got around to updating the videos 118 00:05:08,350 --> 00:05:11,236 this last year, but that caused quite a controversy 119 00:05:11,260 --> 00:05:12,656 with some of the older officers. 120 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,036 They said we were being insensitive. 121 00:05:15,060 --> 00:05:17,626 Why would updating training videos be insensitive? 122 00:05:17,650 --> 00:05:20,166 Even three years on, a lot of his friends 123 00:05:20,190 --> 00:05:22,586 were still mourning his death and saw the videos as a way 124 00:05:22,610 --> 00:05:24,966 - to keep his memory alive. - I'm sorry. 125 00:05:24,990 --> 00:05:26,256 I thought rich died six months ago. 126 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:28,256 - Yeah. - He did. 127 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:29,676 I'm talking about the first time. 128 00:05:29,700 --> 00:05:32,966 Divers are searching for any signs of retired. 129 00:05:32,990 --> 00:05:35,976 Los Angeles police officer Richard rowley 130 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,896 after a sailing trip gone wrong. 131 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,396 Coast guard responded to a distress call 132 00:05:40,420 --> 00:05:42,356 this morning from rowley's wife, 133 00:05:42,380 --> 00:05:44,646 who says the 55-year-old fell overboard 134 00:05:44,670 --> 00:05:46,656 after the sailboat he was captaining 135 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,616 was struck by a rogue wave. 136 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,786 Any time someone disappears from a boating trip, 137 00:05:51,810 --> 00:05:53,326 it automatically sets off alarm bells. 138 00:05:53,350 --> 00:05:54,956 Why is that? 139 00:05:54,980 --> 00:05:56,786 It's just an ideal place to cover up a crime. 140 00:05:56,810 --> 00:05:58,536 Throw a body overboard, weigh it down, 141 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,416 the likelihood of us recovering it before 142 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,456 it becomes fish food is low. 143 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,126 And circumstances were suspicious. 144 00:06:05,150 --> 00:06:07,466 By all accounts, rich was a skilled sailor, 145 00:06:07,490 --> 00:06:09,926 it was a calm day, and the only witness to his demise 146 00:06:09,950 --> 00:06:13,136 was Darla Phillips, his on again, off again 147 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,176 girlfriend, who he married five days prior. 148 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:16,870 So you suspected foul play? 149 00:06:19,580 --> 00:06:21,896 Not necessarily, but we couldn't rule it out. 150 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,646 Why wasn't rich wearing a life vest? 151 00:06:23,670 --> 00:06:26,856 He never did. He was a strong swimmer. 152 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,106 He must have hit his head when he fell. 153 00:06:29,130 --> 00:06:30,866 Why didn't you jump in after him? 154 00:06:30,890 --> 00:06:33,406 - I'm scared of dark water. - Dark water? 155 00:06:33,430 --> 00:06:35,866 Water you can't see the bottom of. 156 00:06:35,890 --> 00:06:40,286 Just blackness with god knows what lurking below. 157 00:06:40,310 --> 00:06:42,876 You stand to inherit rich's entire police pension. 158 00:06:42,900 --> 00:06:44,296 That's quite a bit of money. 159 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,206 How dare you? 160 00:06:46,230 --> 00:06:50,586 I just watched the love of my life die in front of me. 161 00:06:50,610 --> 00:06:52,506 We don't know that for sure yet. 162 00:06:52,530 --> 00:06:54,636 They haven't found his body. 163 00:06:54,660 --> 00:06:58,766 Unless you know more that you're not telling us. 164 00:06:58,790 --> 00:07:00,516 Go to hell! 165 00:07:00,540 --> 00:07:02,226 This interview is over. 166 00:07:02,250 --> 00:07:04,726 Did it ever occur to you that rich might still be alive? 167 00:07:04,750 --> 00:07:06,646 As we said, we couldn't rule anything out, 168 00:07:06,670 --> 00:07:10,196 but there was no evidence that he'd faked his death. 169 00:07:10,220 --> 00:07:11,816 Until he turned up dead again. 170 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,406 Needless to say, we had a few more questions for Darla. 171 00:07:14,430 --> 00:07:16,786 Helping someone fake their death isn't a crime. 172 00:07:16,810 --> 00:07:18,196 - I checked. - You're right, 173 00:07:18,220 --> 00:07:19,996 but profiting off of that death, 174 00:07:20,020 --> 00:07:21,826 collecting rich's pension and his life insurance, 175 00:07:21,850 --> 00:07:23,786 that's fraud. 176 00:07:23,810 --> 00:07:26,086 Not to mention the resources that were wasted 177 00:07:26,110 --> 00:07:27,336 trying to recover his body. 178 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,876 You could be facing some serious charges. 179 00:07:29,900 --> 00:07:32,136 So tell us. 180 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,070 Why did rich want to fake his death? 181 00:07:35,410 --> 00:07:39,306 After rich retired, he kind of fell apart. 182 00:07:39,330 --> 00:07:43,226 His drinking got worse, and his paranoia. 183 00:07:43,250 --> 00:07:45,726 He was always a little intense, 184 00:07:45,750 --> 00:07:48,186 but it started to get scary. 185 00:07:48,210 --> 00:07:51,526 He covered all his windows with newspapers, 186 00:07:51,550 --> 00:07:55,196 started writing down the license plates of passing cars. 187 00:07:55,220 --> 00:07:57,116 What was he so afraid of? 188 00:07:57,140 --> 00:07:59,866 He said there was this group, like, 189 00:07:59,890 --> 00:08:05,036 a secret society of dangerous and powerful people. 190 00:08:05,060 --> 00:08:06,916 He'd been on to them for years. 191 00:08:06,940 --> 00:08:08,706 He said that they found out about him, 192 00:08:08,730 --> 00:08:10,876 that he was in danger because of it. 193 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:13,836 It was too much for me, so I broke up with him. 194 00:08:13,860 --> 00:08:17,846 And then a year later, he showed up on my doorstep 195 00:08:17,870 --> 00:08:20,976 and asked me to help him fake his death 196 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,556 in return for his pension. 197 00:08:23,580 --> 00:08:25,056 I needed the money. 198 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,936 So we got married, and we did the deed, 199 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:29,896 and I never saw him again. 200 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,816 So you have no idea why there was a coffin in his garage? 201 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,316 We'll probably hold this piece of the puzzle 202 00:08:35,340 --> 00:08:37,076 until the end of the first act, you know, 203 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:38,276 hit the audience with a twist when 204 00:08:38,300 --> 00:08:40,286 - it's dramatically expedient. - Yeah. 205 00:08:40,310 --> 00:08:41,446 Seems manipulative. 206 00:08:41,470 --> 00:08:42,956 All good storytelling is, so. 207 00:08:42,980 --> 00:08:45,576 Just tell us about finding the coffin. 208 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,456 So once I arrived, and we secured the crime scene, 209 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,256 we cleared the rest of the house, 210 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:52,680 and then we moved on to the garage. 211 00:08:57,620 --> 00:08:59,506 You don't think there's... 212 00:08:59,530 --> 00:09:02,806 that there's a body in there? I absolutely do. 213 00:09:02,830 --> 00:09:06,436 Ok, are we gonna open it? 'Cause I don't wanna open it. 214 00:09:06,460 --> 00:09:07,896 What do you think? 215 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,276 I mean, it's clearly been dug up. 216 00:09:10,300 --> 00:09:12,436 Given the state of the coffin, it's clearly been 217 00:09:12,460 --> 00:09:13,896 underground for a few years. 218 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,656 If there is a body in there, it's likely long dead. 219 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:19,276 - Unless... - unless what? 220 00:09:19,300 --> 00:09:22,260 Unless he put a fresh victim in an old coffin. 221 00:09:24,730 --> 00:09:26,616 Ok, got it. 222 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,036 - Got it? - Yep. 223 00:09:28,060 --> 00:09:30,230 God. 224 00:09:37,490 --> 00:09:38,886 The body belonged to a 54-year-old truck driver 225 00:09:38,910 --> 00:09:40,886 named Marcus Ford, 226 00:09:40,910 --> 00:09:42,716 who was the victim of an unsolved homicide 227 00:09:42,740 --> 00:09:44,306 back in 2020. 228 00:09:44,330 --> 00:09:45,346 How was he killed? 229 00:09:45,370 --> 00:09:47,346 He was stabbed in the heart. 230 00:09:47,370 --> 00:09:49,516 Just like rich. 231 00:09:49,540 --> 00:09:52,146 Wait, rich murdered Marcus Ford. 232 00:09:52,170 --> 00:09:54,106 - Did I just solve the case? - No. 233 00:09:54,130 --> 00:09:57,986 We were able to alibi rich out. 234 00:09:58,010 --> 00:10:00,236 He was hospitalized with double pneumonia the day Marcus died. 235 00:10:00,260 --> 00:10:02,446 Medical records say he was so weak that, 236 00:10:02,470 --> 00:10:04,116 he could barely get out of bed. 237 00:10:04,140 --> 00:10:05,656 Or that's what he wanted you to think. 238 00:10:05,680 --> 00:10:06,956 Moving on. 239 00:10:06,980 --> 00:10:08,326 Digging up a body's no easy task. 240 00:10:08,350 --> 00:10:10,036 Why would rich go to all that trouble? 241 00:10:10,060 --> 00:10:12,376 Initially, we thought it was simply 242 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,796 the demented act of a clearly disturbed mind, 243 00:10:15,820 --> 00:10:17,626 and in some ways, it was. 244 00:10:17,650 --> 00:10:20,136 But then we found the tattoo. 245 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:21,966 At first, it was a little bit difficult 246 00:10:21,990 --> 00:10:23,886 to make out exactly what it was. 247 00:10:23,910 --> 00:10:27,306 A half a decade of decomp does a number on the skin. 248 00:10:27,330 --> 00:10:29,896 But when we look back at the case file, 249 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,266 there was a photo of it taken during the original autopsy. 250 00:10:32,290 --> 00:10:33,646 That's actually kind of sick. 251 00:10:33,670 --> 00:10:35,776 I wonder if there's a way to track down the artist. 252 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:36,946 I've been meaning to start the sleeve 253 00:10:36,970 --> 00:10:40,316 on my other arm, like a... to my collaborator's point, 254 00:10:40,340 --> 00:10:42,406 lots of people have tattoos. 255 00:10:42,430 --> 00:10:44,696 What was it about this one that jumped out at you? 256 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,956 Well, something about it was familiar to both of us, 257 00:10:47,980 --> 00:10:49,786 but we couldn't place it. 258 00:10:49,810 --> 00:10:53,246 So we started asking around, and the answer couldn't come 259 00:10:53,270 --> 00:10:56,166 from a more unlikely place. 260 00:10:56,190 --> 00:10:58,046 I watched the rich rowley training videos 261 00:10:58,070 --> 00:11:00,506 more than any person alive, 262 00:11:00,530 --> 00:11:04,056 so I recognized the symbol immediately. 263 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,266 Sometimes, citizens panic when 264 00:11:06,290 --> 00:11:08,936 they can't get in touch with their friends or loved ones. 265 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,976 That is why we always advise the public 266 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,396 to wait 24 hours before reporting someone missing. 267 00:11:14,420 --> 00:11:16,356 While most missing person reports stem 268 00:11:16,380 --> 00:11:18,066 from a lapse in communication, 269 00:11:18,090 --> 00:11:19,946 every once in a while, you'll encounter 270 00:11:19,970 --> 00:11:22,526 a true, workable case. 271 00:11:22,550 --> 00:11:25,326 Officer, help. My sister is missing. 272 00:11:25,350 --> 00:11:26,786 When's the last time you saw her? 273 00:11:26,810 --> 00:11:28,446 Last night at the bar. 274 00:11:28,470 --> 00:11:30,826 Her boyfriend said she never made it home. 275 00:11:30,850 --> 00:11:34,666 You always wanna take a report like this one seriously. 276 00:11:34,690 --> 00:11:37,256 So rich hid the same symbol in his training videos 277 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,626 that was tattooed on the body of a murder victim. 278 00:11:39,650 --> 00:11:41,836 What did you think that meant? 279 00:11:41,860 --> 00:11:44,096 I don't know. 280 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,056 I can't believe I'm saying this, but smitty was right. 281 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,056 In lesson 187, the tattoo symbol 282 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,636 was hidden in the background, although the instructions 283 00:11:51,660 --> 00:11:53,936 to wait 24 hours before reporting a missing person 284 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:55,856 are wildly outdated. 285 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,606 Anyways, it got me thinking. 286 00:11:57,630 --> 00:12:00,776 What if rich put messages in other videos? 287 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:02,026 What kind of messages? 288 00:12:02,050 --> 00:12:03,486 I'm not totally sure yet. 289 00:12:03,510 --> 00:12:05,526 I binged every single rich training video 290 00:12:05,550 --> 00:12:06,527 I could get my hands on. 291 00:12:06,551 --> 00:12:08,076 Yeah, it's been a fun few nights. 292 00:12:08,100 --> 00:12:09,996 And I did find a few other possible leads, 293 00:12:10,020 --> 00:12:11,326 but there's a problem. 294 00:12:11,350 --> 00:12:12,616 The department's archive is incomplete, 295 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,036 and without all of the videos, 296 00:12:14,060 --> 00:12:15,206 I can't be sure that I'm not missing 297 00:12:15,230 --> 00:12:16,626 a vital piece of information. 298 00:12:16,650 --> 00:12:18,496 So what happened to the missing videos? 299 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,666 So when the training topics and the videos 300 00:12:20,690 --> 00:12:24,296 become outdated because of new laws or protocols, 301 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,006 the department has to make new ones, 302 00:12:26,030 --> 00:12:28,466 and obsolete videos are supposed to be digitized 303 00:12:28,490 --> 00:12:31,676 and archived for historical record. 304 00:12:31,700 --> 00:12:34,056 But rich's were just gone. 305 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:35,686 Gone as in destroyed? 306 00:12:35,710 --> 00:12:38,316 - Like a cover-up? - No one's saying that. 307 00:12:38,340 --> 00:12:40,526 Most likely, it was a human error. 308 00:12:40,550 --> 00:12:43,146 You know, someone got lazy, didn't archive them. 309 00:12:43,170 --> 00:12:44,986 I tried reaching out to the production company 310 00:12:45,010 --> 00:12:48,156 that made the videos to see if they had any copies left. 311 00:12:48,180 --> 00:12:51,196 Bad news is they went out of business a few years back 312 00:12:51,220 --> 00:12:53,076 and auctioned off all their equipment. 313 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:55,166 What's the good news? 314 00:12:55,190 --> 00:12:58,456 Well, I managed to track down the auction logs, 315 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,456 and I actually know the person who purchased 316 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,916 the studio's old hard drives. 317 00:13:02,940 --> 00:13:06,176 Careful, I'm very ticklish, like the pills bury doughboy. 318 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:07,177 Same. 319 00:13:07,201 --> 00:13:09,216 I hear it's a sign of intelligence. 320 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:10,516 - Is that a fact? - Yep. 321 00:13:10,540 --> 00:13:13,136 Then I am smart as the dickens. 322 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,726 So you purchased hard drives from speak now studios? 323 00:13:16,750 --> 00:13:18,816 Yeah. Dropout was still in its infancy. 324 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,106 I was building the company from the ground up. 325 00:13:21,130 --> 00:13:23,356 We had to be smart about how we were spending our money. 326 00:13:23,380 --> 00:13:26,026 We bought a huge amount of equipment secondhand... 327 00:13:26,050 --> 00:13:27,946 hard drives, cameras, wigs. 328 00:13:27,970 --> 00:13:30,986 Wait, you bought second-hand wigs? 329 00:13:31,010 --> 00:13:32,286 Give them a little shake before we put them on. 330 00:13:32,310 --> 00:13:33,746 That's awesome. 331 00:13:33,770 --> 00:13:34,996 Do you still have that wig connect? 332 00:13:35,020 --> 00:13:39,496 'Cause I'd love a referral. My guy is... back on track. 333 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,746 The hard drives you bought contain police training videos. 334 00:13:41,770 --> 00:13:43,336 Did you happen to watch any of them? 335 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,336 Of course. Rich rowley, right? 336 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,336 We were obsessed with those videos. 337 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,046 We probably watched them, like, a dozen times. 338 00:13:50,070 --> 00:13:52,716 I'm rich rowley, and this is "survive the streets." 339 00:13:52,740 --> 00:13:54,346 That's great. 340 00:13:54,370 --> 00:13:55,726 Vic can do the best impression. 341 00:13:55,750 --> 00:13:57,646 Do you think you'd be able to make copies for us? 342 00:13:57,670 --> 00:14:01,316 I totally would, but I can't because 343 00:14:01,340 --> 00:14:03,026 we wiped all of those hard drives 344 00:14:03,050 --> 00:14:04,606 to use as servers months ago. 345 00:14:04,630 --> 00:14:06,486 Sorry I couldn't be of more help. 346 00:14:06,510 --> 00:14:10,316 You'll still feature this interview, right? 347 00:14:10,340 --> 00:14:11,906 - Yeah. - Yeah, probably not. 348 00:14:11,930 --> 00:14:13,696 Wait, you said you and the dropout crew 349 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,456 watched the video, like, dozens of times, right? 350 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,576 Yes, sometimes on an edible, mostly sober. 351 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,496 I have an idea. 352 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:21,956 Ok, so then he'd be like, don't forget to check 353 00:14:21,980 --> 00:14:23,456 the closet or you'll die. So I don't know. 354 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,166 I think it's a little bit more like, 355 00:14:25,190 --> 00:14:26,966 like, if you forget to check the closet, 356 00:14:26,990 --> 00:14:29,676 Freddy, Jason, and Chucky will rip off your scrote! 357 00:14:29,700 --> 00:14:31,426 Ok, I think there's less foot stuff. 358 00:14:31,450 --> 00:14:33,006 I feel like he's like... 359 00:14:33,030 --> 00:14:35,016 and then your crazy me thy ex-girlfriend 360 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,226 who's been hiding in the hallway closet 361 00:14:37,250 --> 00:14:39,096 will chainsaw your face when you get home 362 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:40,976 because you forgot to clear the room! 363 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:41,977 - Clear the room! - Clear the room! 364 00:14:42,001 --> 00:14:43,566 Check the room. 365 00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:45,526 I think he was so close to pulling out his gun... 366 00:14:45,550 --> 00:14:47,276 - what are you guys doing? - That's a great question. 367 00:14:47,300 --> 00:14:48,906 They're reenacting the police training videos 368 00:14:48,930 --> 00:14:50,236 since you guys wiped them off your hard drive. 369 00:14:50,260 --> 00:14:51,906 The rich rowley ones. 370 00:14:51,930 --> 00:14:53,406 - Those are so funny. - Right. 371 00:14:53,430 --> 00:14:54,906 I actually stole one of the hard drives 372 00:14:54,930 --> 00:14:56,116 so I could watch it when I'm in the tub. 373 00:14:56,140 --> 00:14:57,286 You talking about your tub again? 374 00:14:57,310 --> 00:14:58,456 - Say what? - A little self-care. 375 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,206 You know, trying to relax a little more. 376 00:15:00,230 --> 00:15:02,286 - It's not working. - Can we have it? 377 00:15:02,310 --> 00:15:03,916 If you want to borrow it, I could, you know. 378 00:15:03,940 --> 00:15:05,376 No, I think this is actually working great. 379 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,876 - I mean, you could. Ok. - Keep this up. 380 00:15:07,900 --> 00:15:08,757 - Riffing. - Clearing the room. 381 00:15:08,781 --> 00:15:10,086 Help us. 382 00:15:10,110 --> 00:15:11,336 Ok, I finally finished watching 383 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,386 all of the rich training videos, and there is a lot. 384 00:15:14,410 --> 00:15:17,490 Take lesson 277... 385 00:15:20,750 --> 00:15:22,476 my azaleas! 386 00:15:22,500 --> 00:15:26,106 A cold case where victim azalea Robinson was found 387 00:15:26,130 --> 00:15:27,936 stabbed near a ski resort. 388 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,316 - You're kidding. - No. 389 00:15:29,340 --> 00:15:32,316 And in lesson 290, rich is holding a folder 390 00:15:32,340 --> 00:15:34,116 with a post-it note on the back with a brown star 391 00:15:34,140 --> 00:15:35,446 - drawn on it. - I'm lost. 392 00:15:35,470 --> 00:15:38,196 Right, so I looked up the cold cases 393 00:15:38,220 --> 00:15:39,906 to see if there were any victims with names 394 00:15:39,930 --> 00:15:43,326 like star or Stella, and there was one hit, 395 00:15:43,350 --> 00:15:47,126 Stella brown, also found stabbed in the chest. 396 00:15:47,150 --> 00:15:49,086 In all, Lucy found clues pointing 397 00:15:49,110 --> 00:15:51,506 to seven different cold cases. 398 00:15:51,530 --> 00:15:53,506 But why was rich hiding the names of murder victims 399 00:15:53,530 --> 00:15:55,346 in police training videos? 400 00:15:55,370 --> 00:15:56,596 Based on what we could piece together, 401 00:15:56,620 --> 00:15:58,886 he believed he had stumbled upon a conspiracy... 402 00:15:58,910 --> 00:16:01,226 a series of connected murders committed by person 403 00:16:01,250 --> 00:16:02,846 or persons unknown. 404 00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:04,646 If that were the case, why not just report 405 00:16:04,670 --> 00:16:07,016 his suspicion? He was a cop for 30 years. 406 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,526 Well, rich had a bit of a reputation 407 00:16:09,550 --> 00:16:14,066 within the department for, shall we say, magical thinking. 408 00:16:14,090 --> 00:16:17,906 So unfortunately, his theory was dismissed out of hand. 409 00:16:17,930 --> 00:16:19,866 But why did he think the murders were connected? 410 00:16:19,890 --> 00:16:21,366 Well, for starters, they were all stabbed 411 00:16:21,390 --> 00:16:23,496 in the chest, but more importantly, 412 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,126 each victim was found with a penny 413 00:16:25,150 --> 00:16:26,586 either in or on their person. 414 00:16:26,610 --> 00:16:27,916 What do you mean "in"? 415 00:16:27,940 --> 00:16:30,046 One had a penny in her stomach. 416 00:16:30,070 --> 00:16:32,216 Another had one shoved up his nose. 417 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:33,546 Stella brown lucked out. 418 00:16:33,570 --> 00:16:35,466 Hers was just clasped in her hand. 419 00:16:35,490 --> 00:16:37,966 And when we re-examined Marcus Ford's corpse, 420 00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:41,346 the me found one inserted into the heel of his left foot. 421 00:16:41,370 --> 00:16:43,056 Why? 422 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,346 Did we mention that they were all minted in 1930? 423 00:16:45,370 --> 00:16:47,606 Ok. Well, I just got goosebumps. 424 00:16:47,630 --> 00:16:49,816 Rich's autopsy also revealed that he had swallowed 425 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,936 close to 50 pennies before he died. 426 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:53,196 Gross. 427 00:16:53,220 --> 00:16:54,906 So at this point, was your theory... 428 00:16:54,930 --> 00:16:56,776 I actually have no idea what their theory would have been. 429 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,446 Yeah, well, I would tell you, but we were way off the Mark, 430 00:16:59,470 --> 00:17:01,656 which we were about to discover 431 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,456 when we got access to his cloud account. 432 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,076 Ok. 433 00:17:07,100 --> 00:17:09,666 I may have finally found it. 434 00:17:09,690 --> 00:17:12,440 I am so close to getting some real answers. 435 00:17:14,650 --> 00:17:16,780 See that? 436 00:17:30,590 --> 00:17:33,066 Whoa. 437 00:17:33,090 --> 00:17:34,090 Ha! 438 00:17:36,090 --> 00:17:38,130 My god. No! No. 439 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,076 For a guy pretending to be dead, 440 00:17:43,100 --> 00:17:44,956 breaking into a secure military facility 441 00:17:44,980 --> 00:17:46,996 doesn't seem like the best idea. 442 00:17:47,020 --> 00:17:50,666 Well, he wasn't just breaking into any military facility. 443 00:17:50,690 --> 00:17:52,126 It was area 67. 444 00:17:52,150 --> 00:17:53,416 What does that mean? 445 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,150 That's where the government keeps the aliens. 446 00:18:04,410 --> 00:18:05,267 So rich broke into a secret government base 447 00:18:05,291 --> 00:18:07,136 on the hunt for a massive conspiracy, 448 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,646 then stabbed himself in the chest? 449 00:18:08,670 --> 00:18:10,226 I mean, at that point, it's obvious what happened. 450 00:18:10,250 --> 00:18:12,146 - Is it? - Come on. 451 00:18:12,170 --> 00:18:14,236 Remember what rich said right before he died? 452 00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:15,816 I can't die. 453 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:16,777 It's inside of me. 454 00:18:16,801 --> 00:18:18,526 It won't let me die. 455 00:18:18,550 --> 00:18:19,946 Yeah, I'm not following. 456 00:18:19,970 --> 00:18:22,696 Rich was exposed to an alien parasite. 457 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,246 It was inside him. 458 00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:27,786 Were you familiar with area 67? 459 00:18:27,810 --> 00:18:29,576 I'd heard of it. Yeah. 460 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,296 There's this am radio station I used to listen to 461 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,916 back in Foxburg. 462 00:18:33,940 --> 00:18:35,546 Kept me awake when I was working late. 463 00:18:35,570 --> 00:18:38,376 The host was obsessed with ufos. 464 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,596 - "Val's velvet bunker"? - That's the one. 465 00:18:40,620 --> 00:18:43,886 He was a little bit out there, but always entertaining. 466 00:18:43,910 --> 00:18:47,266 Area 51 is theater. 467 00:18:47,290 --> 00:18:48,976 Do you believe? 468 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,806 Do you really believe the most secretive 469 00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:54,436 military installation in the world would let itself 470 00:18:54,460 --> 00:18:56,436 become a tourist attraction? 471 00:18:56,460 --> 00:18:57,736 No, no, no, no. 472 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,406 Area 51 is the distraction. 473 00:19:00,430 --> 00:19:03,366 Area 67 is the real deal. 474 00:19:03,390 --> 00:19:05,906 You know why California has all those earthquakes? 475 00:19:05,930 --> 00:19:08,656 It's not the San Andreas fault, my friends. 476 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,826 It's the Sonic resonance from area 67's 477 00:19:11,850 --> 00:19:13,666 underground testing chambers. 478 00:19:13,690 --> 00:19:15,586 Did you believe in his theories? 479 00:19:15,610 --> 00:19:17,006 No, no. 480 00:19:17,030 --> 00:19:18,796 Like I said, just entertainment. 481 00:19:18,820 --> 00:19:19,757 Let's hear from a caller. 482 00:19:19,781 --> 00:19:21,506 Hi, name's John. 483 00:19:21,530 --> 00:19:22,676 Longtime listener, fourth-time caller. 484 00:19:22,700 --> 00:19:25,346 Hey, John from Foxburg. Welcome back. 485 00:19:25,370 --> 00:19:26,466 What have you got for us tonight? 486 00:19:26,490 --> 00:19:29,080 I swear to god I just saw a ufo. 487 00:19:31,370 --> 00:19:34,436 John is such a common name. 488 00:19:34,460 --> 00:19:37,066 I'm open to the possibility of extraterrestrial life. 489 00:19:37,090 --> 00:19:38,356 - You are? - Yeah. 490 00:19:38,380 --> 00:19:39,986 I mean, it's a big universe. 491 00:19:40,010 --> 00:19:42,026 - Anything could be out there. - I don't know. 492 00:19:42,050 --> 00:19:44,866 People who claim to have seen aliens tend to be a little off. 493 00:19:44,890 --> 00:19:46,656 You were friends with a corpse, right? 494 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,036 Well, yeah, we were more than friends, 495 00:19:48,060 --> 00:19:49,656 but fair enough. Ok. 496 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,076 Legally, is it necrophilia 497 00:19:52,100 --> 00:19:53,666 if she only did over the clothes stuff? 498 00:19:53,690 --> 00:19:56,166 - That's a great question. - I definitely believe. 499 00:19:56,190 --> 00:20:00,216 In fact, I've been abducted by aliens. 500 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,586 - Really? - Multiple times. 501 00:20:02,610 --> 00:20:06,006 Apparently, I'm a fascinating subject. 502 00:20:06,030 --> 00:20:09,226 I remember the last time smitty was "abducted." 503 00:20:09,250 --> 00:20:10,886 Turns out he partied too hard in Vegas 504 00:20:10,910 --> 00:20:12,516 and woke up in Wisconsin. 505 00:20:12,540 --> 00:20:14,266 Missing time, 506 00:20:14,290 --> 00:20:17,226 one of the hallmarks of alien abductions. 507 00:20:17,250 --> 00:20:19,356 - And binge drinking. - Point is, 508 00:20:19,380 --> 00:20:22,026 the government had little gray men 509 00:20:22,050 --> 00:20:24,446 in their secret labs for decades. 510 00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:26,236 What are they doing with them? 511 00:20:26,260 --> 00:20:28,866 They're implanting the aliens in unsuspecting hosts 512 00:20:28,890 --> 00:20:30,496 and taking over their bodies. 513 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,100 You just never know who might be one of them. 514 00:20:35,730 --> 00:20:38,586 Some people in the station believed rich stabbed himself 515 00:20:38,610 --> 00:20:42,046 to kill an alien parasite, but I wouldn't say 516 00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:44,006 that was a dominant theory. 517 00:20:44,030 --> 00:20:45,546 It wasn't long before we figured out 518 00:20:45,570 --> 00:20:48,006 rich believed something darker, 519 00:20:48,030 --> 00:20:50,426 and it was connected to the seven murders. 520 00:20:50,450 --> 00:20:52,056 Then why did rich break into the army base? 521 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,686 Yes, I remember the incident. 522 00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:56,146 Rich rowley cut through a fence. 523 00:20:56,170 --> 00:20:58,316 He trespassed on government property. 524 00:20:58,340 --> 00:21:01,026 He was promptly apprehended and sent on his way. 525 00:21:01,050 --> 00:21:03,566 Do you have any idea what rich was looking for? 526 00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:06,366 As it turns out, he was looking for me. 527 00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:09,576 But not because of any alleged aliens. 528 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,996 So why did he come? 529 00:21:12,020 --> 00:21:17,666 This part is a... is a little bit embarrassing... 530 00:21:17,690 --> 00:21:19,956 Before I found my calling in the military, 531 00:21:19,980 --> 00:21:22,716 I thought that I wanted to be an actor, 532 00:21:22,740 --> 00:21:25,676 and I was in a few dtv movies. 533 00:21:25,700 --> 00:21:26,796 What's dtv? 534 00:21:26,820 --> 00:21:27,926 You're so young. 535 00:21:27,950 --> 00:21:29,386 Direct to video. 536 00:21:29,410 --> 00:21:31,716 They made all these super cheap movies 537 00:21:31,740 --> 00:21:33,516 back in the '80s and '90s. 538 00:21:33,540 --> 00:21:35,056 You make them as cheaply as possible 539 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,096 and then hope that someone was drawn in enough 540 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:39,516 by the cover art to rent them. 541 00:21:39,540 --> 00:21:42,106 - A guy can't have a side gig? - Totally. 542 00:21:42,130 --> 00:21:43,686 How did you get into acting? 543 00:21:43,710 --> 00:21:46,236 Some director scouted me when I pulled him over. 544 00:21:46,260 --> 00:21:49,026 He said I had a bitchin' bod. 545 00:21:49,050 --> 00:21:50,696 Well, he wasn't wrong. 546 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,576 But I gave it up 'cause the people of this city 547 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,656 needed a savior. 548 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,916 Yeah, you are the model of public service. 549 00:21:57,940 --> 00:21:59,746 Right. 550 00:21:59,770 --> 00:22:02,796 Anyway, rich became interested in this terrible 551 00:22:02,820 --> 00:22:06,006 b movie that I was in. I played a monk. 552 00:22:06,030 --> 00:22:08,570 It was called "300 days of hell." 553 00:22:12,830 --> 00:22:14,676 Terrible b movie, that's what he called it? 554 00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:17,056 "300 days of hell" is the scariest film of the 1990s. 555 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,646 Really? 556 00:22:18,670 --> 00:22:20,606 "The ring", "scream," "Blair witch project"? 557 00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:22,566 Which one of us executive produced a horror movie? 558 00:22:22,590 --> 00:22:24,816 Trust me, "thdoh" 559 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,816 is true nightmare fuel. 560 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,906 It's not that scary. 561 00:22:28,930 --> 00:22:31,446 She made me watch it at the beginning of our relationship. 562 00:22:31,470 --> 00:22:34,326 When he was still trying to impress me. 563 00:22:34,350 --> 00:22:36,456 You wanna watch it again tonight? 564 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,206 I would. Totally. 565 00:22:39,230 --> 00:22:42,206 I do have plans, though. 566 00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:43,796 Yeah I'm not watching that crap, 567 00:22:43,820 --> 00:22:45,506 even if it is for a case. 568 00:22:45,530 --> 00:22:47,756 I see enough horror on the job. 569 00:22:47,780 --> 00:22:50,796 That being said, "300 days of hell" 570 00:22:50,820 --> 00:22:52,806 was our first real window into the rabbit hole 571 00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:54,216 that rich had gone down. 572 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,686 A rabbit hole filled with demons... or rather, a demon. 573 00:22:58,710 --> 00:23:00,396 So rich believed a demon had killed all those people? 574 00:23:00,420 --> 00:23:02,106 No, the killers were definitely human. 575 00:23:02,130 --> 00:23:03,896 - Killers, plural? - Yeah. 576 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,356 There was different trace DNA on all the bodies, 577 00:23:06,380 --> 00:23:08,486 all from different subjects, and none of them 578 00:23:08,510 --> 00:23:10,906 - were in the system. - Meaning? 579 00:23:10,930 --> 00:23:12,156 The murders were committed by a group of people 580 00:23:12,180 --> 00:23:14,236 with shared beliefs. 581 00:23:14,260 --> 00:23:15,446 A murder cult? 582 00:23:15,470 --> 00:23:17,906 The cult believed a demon named malaphus 583 00:23:17,930 --> 00:23:20,246 had been possessing people all across the city, 584 00:23:20,270 --> 00:23:24,230 jumping from host to host, and it was up to them to stop it. 585 00:23:32,780 --> 00:23:34,846 The legend of malaphus is centuries old. 586 00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:38,056 The first mention we see of him is 1433's 587 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,266 "lesser grimoire of Solomon" 588 00:23:40,290 --> 00:23:43,856 by Slovenian inquisitor terentius bruma, 589 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,986 a reference text of demons and their attributes. 590 00:23:48,010 --> 00:23:50,106 - Gnarly. - Right? 591 00:23:50,130 --> 00:23:53,116 He's also known as the deceiver, the infestor, 592 00:23:53,140 --> 00:23:55,696 and demon of 300 days. Why? 593 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,036 Once summoned to earth, malaphus won't rest 594 00:23:58,060 --> 00:23:59,826 until he finds a human host. 595 00:23:59,850 --> 00:24:04,956 After possession begins, he incubates 300 days. 596 00:24:04,980 --> 00:24:06,496 What happens after 300 days? 597 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,296 He reaches full strength, 598 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,610 and his power becomes uncontainable. 599 00:24:14,370 --> 00:24:16,596 If malaphus was summoned to earth, 600 00:24:16,620 --> 00:24:18,216 how would one stop him? 601 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,596 Bruma suggests killing the host might slow malaphus down, 602 00:24:21,620 --> 00:24:25,306 forcing him to regenerate before he can find a new host, 603 00:24:25,330 --> 00:24:28,106 a process that also can be slowed 604 00:24:28,130 --> 00:24:30,606 by the use of copper. 605 00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:33,276 - It was the pennies. - The pennies. 606 00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:34,816 It all came back to the pennies. 607 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,406 Before 1984, U.S. pennies were 95% copper. 608 00:24:38,430 --> 00:24:40,956 So the copper in the pennies was meant to bind the demon, 609 00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:42,286 but what about the 1930 part? 610 00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:45,150 Are you familiar with numerology? 611 00:24:46,690 --> 00:24:49,376 Some ancient peoples... and Taylor swift... 612 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,376 believed there was a mystical connection 613 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,176 between letters and numbers. 614 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,346 Using the chaldean method, the name malaphus 615 00:24:57,370 --> 00:24:59,426 becomes a digit, 1930. 616 00:24:59,450 --> 00:25:01,976 - So you're saying... - we had a theory. 617 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,596 Whoever killed those people believed the victims 618 00:25:04,620 --> 00:25:06,766 were possessed by malaphus. 619 00:25:06,790 --> 00:25:10,526 They had to reach malaphus's host before 620 00:25:10,550 --> 00:25:12,236 he reached his true form. 621 00:25:12,260 --> 00:25:13,736 A 1930 penny was the perfect tool. 622 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,316 Yeah, rich's talk of, "it's inside me", 623 00:25:16,340 --> 00:25:18,656 "it won't let me die," he thought he was infested 624 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,616 by this demon, too, and that's why he killed himself. 625 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,116 Wait. 626 00:25:23,140 --> 00:25:24,536 I thought rich didn't believe in malaphus. 627 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,826 Isn't that why he was trying to stop the cult? 628 00:25:26,850 --> 00:25:29,086 Well, yes, but, I mean, years of obsession and paranoia 629 00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:31,046 can do a number on a person's psyche. 630 00:25:31,070 --> 00:25:32,166 I mean, it seems as though, in the end, 631 00:25:32,190 --> 00:25:35,466 rich could no longer distinguish fantasy from reality. 632 00:25:35,490 --> 00:25:37,216 And you got this theory from rich's files? 633 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,256 Well, I mean, we actually got it from Lopez. 634 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,846 And they say watching old horror movies 635 00:25:41,870 --> 00:25:44,136 isn't a good use of time. 636 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,410 I never said that. 637 00:25:53,630 --> 00:25:55,816 Are we safe, brother? 638 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,816 Is malaphus banished? 639 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,576 His sigil is drawn. 640 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,486 The rite is spoken. 641 00:26:01,510 --> 00:26:05,520 We have sealed his last human vessel with copper. 642 00:26:11,940 --> 00:26:13,706 Heaven forgive us. 643 00:26:13,730 --> 00:26:15,666 Indeed. 644 00:26:15,690 --> 00:26:17,740 For hell will not. 645 00:26:18,910 --> 00:26:24,136 Midnight, the 300th day. 646 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,790 Our task was done none too soon. 647 00:26:53,070 --> 00:26:55,110 Yeah, that was me. 648 00:26:57,490 --> 00:26:59,256 - Do you guys want a glass? - No, I'm good. 649 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,756 You got anything stronger? 650 00:27:01,780 --> 00:27:04,306 Fine. I'll just take a glass. 651 00:27:04,330 --> 00:27:06,346 Ok, I'll, just... I'll have nothing, actually. 652 00:27:06,370 --> 00:27:08,136 No fun for me. 653 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,936 Yeah, that was my first big movie role. 654 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,606 Well, my only one, really. 655 00:27:15,630 --> 00:27:18,486 Rich was so excited when I told him I booked it. 656 00:27:18,510 --> 00:27:20,446 He helped me run lines. 657 00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:22,026 Did rich buy in to the malaphus mythology? 658 00:27:22,050 --> 00:27:23,696 No. 659 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,696 Weirdly, given all the conspiracies that rich 660 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,866 believed in, he was a total atheist. 661 00:27:28,890 --> 00:27:30,786 But I wouldn't have blamed him after everything 662 00:27:30,810 --> 00:27:32,326 that happened on that shoot. 663 00:27:32,350 --> 00:27:34,060 Like what? 664 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:37,256 Before production wrapped, 665 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,256 the dp was paralyzed driving to set. 666 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,796 A stunt person had his leg amputated. 667 00:27:41,820 --> 00:27:43,676 There were divorces, bankruptcies. 668 00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:45,216 Careers ended. 669 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,266 One of the actors even died in his hotel room. 670 00:27:49,290 --> 00:27:51,226 People say the production was cursed. 671 00:27:51,250 --> 00:27:53,646 What about you? What do you believe? 672 00:27:53,670 --> 00:27:57,936 I believe the real curse was the director. 673 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,856 He was a reckless maniac that didn't know how to run a set. 674 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,446 Cut. Cut! 675 00:28:03,470 --> 00:28:05,826 Arthur! Arthur! 676 00:28:05,850 --> 00:28:09,706 Your strangulation, it has to be real. 677 00:28:09,730 --> 00:28:11,866 I wanna feel the life draining from him. 678 00:28:11,890 --> 00:28:15,586 You, you... you cannot move from your position, 679 00:28:15,610 --> 00:28:17,296 not even an inch. 680 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,546 Guys, this ritual is extremely specific. 681 00:28:21,570 --> 00:28:23,636 Ok? Let's go again. 682 00:28:23,660 --> 00:28:25,216 Ok, I thought I was choking you pretty well. 683 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,676 I'm sorry. 684 00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:27,507 Ok, I'm gonna choke you a little harder. 685 00:28:27,531 --> 00:28:29,306 Ready? 686 00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:31,306 Douglas was real touchy about the religious stuff. 687 00:28:31,330 --> 00:28:33,596 I guess he had grown up in some sort of commune, 688 00:28:33,620 --> 00:28:36,516 and this was all based on stories he was told growing up. 689 00:28:36,540 --> 00:28:38,936 Ok, but what I heard is that they accidentally 690 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,856 summoned malaphus for real. 691 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,566 The director found some ancient Tome 692 00:28:42,590 --> 00:28:45,946 and inserted the incantation and rituals verbatim. 693 00:28:45,970 --> 00:28:47,326 Ooh, I love that. 694 00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:48,826 And that's what got me thinking 695 00:28:48,850 --> 00:28:50,536 about the penny killings. 696 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,456 We found the first victim just a little under 300 days 697 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,496 after the summoning ritual was filmed. 698 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,786 We knew rich was aware of the malaphus legends. 699 00:28:57,810 --> 00:28:59,706 It was only natural to link them. 700 00:28:59,730 --> 00:29:01,836 So rich thought the penny victims were killed by people 701 00:29:01,860 --> 00:29:03,626 trying to stop malaphus. 702 00:29:03,650 --> 00:29:05,926 Was he able to identify any of these killers? 703 00:29:05,950 --> 00:29:07,160 We know he tried. 704 00:29:08,530 --> 00:29:10,176 - Hi. - Hey. How are you? 705 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,556 - Jared. - Hello. Wow. 706 00:29:12,580 --> 00:29:15,186 It's a... it's a pleasure to meet you, gentlemen. 707 00:29:15,210 --> 00:29:16,606 Pleasure to meet you too. 708 00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:18,106 Why don't you tell us about yourselves? 709 00:29:18,130 --> 00:29:22,736 Yeah, we, co-starred on a TV show together 710 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,866 for 15 seasons called "supernatural." 711 00:29:26,890 --> 00:29:29,026 Yeah, we played Sam and Dean Winchester, 712 00:29:29,050 --> 00:29:32,866 brothers that, you know, tracked and fought 713 00:29:32,890 --> 00:29:34,826 supernatural beings. 714 00:29:34,850 --> 00:29:36,496 - Like "k-pop demon hunters." - No. 715 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:37,786 No, not like that. 716 00:29:37,810 --> 00:29:39,626 I mean, kind of like that. 717 00:29:39,650 --> 00:29:40,836 - No. - Yeah. 718 00:29:40,860 --> 00:29:43,166 Ok, can you tell us about your encounter 719 00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:44,966 - with rich rowley? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 720 00:29:44,990 --> 00:29:46,676 Rich rowley. 721 00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:51,346 He came to a fan event we did last year at monster con. 722 00:29:51,370 --> 00:29:52,806 Yeah, you know, most people show up, 723 00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:57,016 and they just want an autograph or a photo. 724 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,606 But rich was a bit of a different beast altogether. 725 00:30:00,630 --> 00:30:02,816 Yeah, yeah, he was... he was super 726 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,986 fixated on this one particular episode 727 00:30:05,010 --> 00:30:07,356 - where we fought a demon. - Malaphus. 728 00:30:07,380 --> 00:30:09,526 Yeah, that one. 729 00:30:09,550 --> 00:30:14,076 Anyway he seemed to think we, like, knew more 730 00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:15,906 about it than we were saying. 731 00:30:15,930 --> 00:30:16,666 More about what? 732 00:30:16,690 --> 00:30:18,536 Demon hunting. 733 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,626 He kept, like, asking these super pointed questions, 734 00:30:21,650 --> 00:30:23,836 like... like he was, I don't know, 735 00:30:23,860 --> 00:30:25,006 testing us or something. 736 00:30:25,030 --> 00:30:27,216 - Did you have an answer? - No. 737 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,506 No, I mean, we didn't... 738 00:30:28,530 --> 00:30:30,136 we didn't come up with these stories. 739 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,806 You know, we just did what the writers wrote. 740 00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:33,346 It's called acting. 741 00:30:33,370 --> 00:30:35,556 There's no actual demon hunters in real life. 742 00:30:35,580 --> 00:30:36,726 Exactly. 743 00:30:36,750 --> 00:30:38,646 That's not exactly true. 744 00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:40,806 There is at least one. 745 00:30:40,830 --> 00:30:44,646 And it actually connected to the movie. 746 00:30:44,670 --> 00:30:46,606 We heard the director brought a priest named 747 00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:48,656 father Simon McCabe to bless the set 748 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:49,986 every day before filming. 749 00:30:50,010 --> 00:30:51,616 Well, it was either that or the whole crew 750 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,196 was going to walk. 751 00:30:53,220 --> 00:30:56,326 Does that name mean anything to you? 752 00:30:56,350 --> 00:30:57,746 About 15 years ago. 753 00:30:57,770 --> 00:31:00,206 Lopez and I had just finished our rookie years. 754 00:31:00,230 --> 00:31:02,536 We responded to a call at a house. 755 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,086 Priest doing an exorcism with a 16-year-old girl. 756 00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:06,206 Had been going on for three days. 757 00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:09,046 Father, no. 758 00:31:09,070 --> 00:31:11,796 Police! 759 00:31:11,820 --> 00:31:13,426 Help her! 760 00:31:13,450 --> 00:31:15,660 Please! 761 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,436 Get away from her! 762 00:31:24,460 --> 00:31:28,210 Father, forgive me. 763 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:37,696 Did you feel like you'd seen the devil? 764 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:38,906 The only thing in that room that belonged in hell 765 00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:42,076 - was father Simon. - He kept saying he had to. 766 00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:44,416 The whole way to the station, "I'm sorry, I had to. 767 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:45,916 I'm sorry, I had to." 768 00:31:45,940 --> 00:31:47,796 Because he believed she was possessed? 769 00:31:47,820 --> 00:31:49,296 She had a brain tumor. 770 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,836 That's what they found after the autopsy. 771 00:31:51,860 --> 00:31:53,886 She needed a doctor, not an exorcism. 772 00:31:53,910 --> 00:31:56,386 And he wasn't a man of god. He was a killer. 773 00:31:56,410 --> 00:31:58,096 The courts agreed. 774 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,016 So father Simon was convicted of first-degree murder. 775 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,476 When we processed him, we found a penny in his pocket. 776 00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:05,066 Nothing else, just a penny. 777 00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:06,396 It didn't mean anything at the time, 778 00:32:06,420 --> 00:32:08,436 but after rich connected those seven murders, 779 00:32:08,460 --> 00:32:10,356 it seemed likely he was involved. 780 00:32:10,380 --> 00:32:12,276 Involved like, he killed them? 781 00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:14,776 No, Simon was already in prison when five 782 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,236 of the murders took place, and his DNA didn't match 783 00:32:17,260 --> 00:32:19,286 any that was found on the corpses. 784 00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:21,456 But he could have been part of whatever group 785 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,326 rich was so afraid of. 786 00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:25,586 Which means he knew more than he had told us. 787 00:32:25,610 --> 00:32:27,956 So we had to go back. 788 00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:30,756 Officers, I remember you. 789 00:32:30,780 --> 00:32:32,586 You... you were the ones who tried to stop the ritual. 790 00:32:32,610 --> 00:32:34,336 Just wish we would have gotten here sooner. 791 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,886 Becca Scott might still be alive. 792 00:32:35,910 --> 00:32:38,346 She was long gone before you arrived. 793 00:32:38,370 --> 00:32:40,766 - The demon saw to that. - Malaphus? 794 00:32:40,790 --> 00:32:42,346 Shh. 795 00:32:42,370 --> 00:32:44,646 Do not say its name in my presence. 796 00:32:44,670 --> 00:32:47,566 What, are you afraid we might accidentally summon it? 797 00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:50,276 You may scorn me and my beliefs, 798 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:52,146 but I have fought this evil. 799 00:32:52,170 --> 00:32:54,316 I know enough to fear its power. 800 00:32:54,340 --> 00:32:56,866 What's more evil than murdering a child? 801 00:32:56,890 --> 00:32:59,326 I took no pleasure in the act. 802 00:32:59,350 --> 00:33:01,036 I'm grateful I had the courage to do what was necessary. 803 00:33:01,060 --> 00:33:02,616 Courage? 804 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,206 Tell us about the penny that was in your pocket. 805 00:33:05,230 --> 00:33:07,206 In the movie "300 days of hell", 806 00:33:07,230 --> 00:33:09,296 malaphus is sealed inside his host with copper 807 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,086 before he can be killed... banished, not killed. 808 00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:14,836 What's the difference? 809 00:33:14,860 --> 00:33:18,006 The demon is a parasite. 810 00:33:18,030 --> 00:33:19,556 It needs a host. 811 00:33:19,580 --> 00:33:21,346 Once you kill the body that inhabits it, 812 00:33:21,370 --> 00:33:23,186 it'll find a new one. 813 00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:27,016 Becca Scott was just a single battle in a larger war. 814 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,356 If you're in here, who's doing the fighting now? 815 00:33:31,380 --> 00:33:33,646 The knights of avila. 816 00:33:33,670 --> 00:33:35,656 Los Angeles has a long history 817 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,236 of spiritualism, esoteric religions 818 00:33:38,260 --> 00:33:39,826 that go back over 100 years. 819 00:33:39,850 --> 00:33:42,696 So think aleister crowley, Jack Parsons, 820 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,706 - I. Ron Hubbard. - He freaking loves this stuff. 821 00:33:44,730 --> 00:33:46,286 I do. 822 00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:48,246 Anyway, a lot of these groups started out 823 00:33:48,270 --> 00:33:50,956 as fraternal orders, similar to the freemasons, 824 00:33:50,980 --> 00:33:52,916 where people would gather and... and... share... 825 00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:54,216 - men. - Well, yeah. 826 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,676 Yes, and... and some women. 827 00:33:56,700 --> 00:33:59,796 And they would share new ideas, explore philosophies. 828 00:33:59,820 --> 00:34:02,886 They also liked partying, doing drugs, 829 00:34:02,910 --> 00:34:05,476 and performing weird sex rituals. 830 00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:08,096 Sign me up. 831 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,476 For the intellectual exchanging of ideas, obviously. 832 00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:12,896 So the knights of avila is one of these groups? 833 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,646 It was. 834 00:34:14,670 --> 00:34:16,276 Like a lot of the similar organizations at the time, 835 00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:17,816 it fell apart when the founder died. 836 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,616 It hasn't been active in... 60 years? 837 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,536 Then what was father Simon talking about? 838 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,536 Based on Tim and Lopez's conversation with father Simon, 839 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,366 we began to believe that the group, 840 00:34:27,390 --> 00:34:29,826 or at least the name, 841 00:34:29,850 --> 00:34:32,336 had been revived sometime in the late '90s 842 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,206 to the early 2000s and re-branded 843 00:34:35,230 --> 00:34:38,126 as some kind of demon hunting cult. 844 00:34:38,150 --> 00:34:40,466 So rich was actually right. 845 00:34:40,490 --> 00:34:42,636 There was a murderous cabal after him. 846 00:34:42,660 --> 00:34:46,056 It seemed that way, and we were getting close 847 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,266 to discovering who their ringleader was. 848 00:34:48,290 --> 00:34:51,186 I found him. 849 00:34:51,210 --> 00:34:53,436 - Found who? - Doug Roberts. 850 00:34:53,460 --> 00:34:55,486 I wanna feel the life draining from him! 851 00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:57,106 You mean the director of the sad little demon porn? 852 00:34:57,130 --> 00:34:58,486 Where? 853 00:34:58,510 --> 00:35:00,066 I was going through some old industry trades 854 00:35:00,090 --> 00:35:02,616 from around the time "thdoh" was slated to come out. 855 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,826 One of the articles mentioned that Roberts 856 00:35:04,850 --> 00:35:05,996 was a client of Stewart wine cliff 857 00:35:06,020 --> 00:35:07,616 at the golden talent agency. 858 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,246 The guy hasn't made a movie in 26 years. 859 00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:10,536 I doubt they still rep him. 860 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,496 Not actively, no. 861 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,376 But I called their offices, and I bribed... 862 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,546 or like, I talked one of the assistants into giving me 863 00:35:16,570 --> 00:35:18,256 the address where his residual checks are sent. 864 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,836 It's downtown. Let's go. 865 00:35:19,860 --> 00:35:21,546 Hold on. 866 00:35:21,570 --> 00:35:23,006 You just wanna go doorstep the guy? 867 00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:24,256 If that means go knock on a door 868 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,886 while also filming, then yes. 869 00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:28,096 Yeah, I'm not in the business of gotcha journalism. 870 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,186 What about the business of making that paper? 871 00:35:31,210 --> 00:35:32,686 The guap? 872 00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:34,566 Money, guy. 873 00:35:34,590 --> 00:35:36,816 Come on, the doc business is over-saturated these days. 874 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,356 We need footage that p-o-ps, 875 00:35:39,380 --> 00:35:40,816 and what pops more than blindsiding 876 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,326 a potential cult leader? 877 00:35:43,350 --> 00:35:44,366 Come on. 878 00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:46,010 What's the worst that could happen? 879 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,166 - This is it. - Ok. 880 00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:51,996 Here. Here's your camera. 881 00:35:52,020 --> 00:35:53,876 I don't operate. 882 00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:54,980 Well. 883 00:35:57,780 --> 00:36:01,296 Now, you do. 884 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,596 Let's go. 885 00:36:03,620 --> 00:36:06,176 - What floor is it on? - Eight. 886 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,620 But there's an elevator. Don't worry. 887 00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:17,646 - Are you sure it's that way? - Yep. 888 00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:19,276 Nope. 889 00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:22,696 You know, at the risk of being called a scaredy cat, 890 00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:24,696 you do understand that this is inherently 891 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:27,236 neither a wise nor safe activity? 892 00:36:27,260 --> 00:36:29,446 You're asking a woman if she understands 893 00:36:29,470 --> 00:36:33,076 that it's inherently dangerous to go anywhere or do anything? 894 00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:35,956 When you put it that way, I sound like an ass. 895 00:36:35,980 --> 00:36:37,060 Yeah. 896 00:36:39,690 --> 00:36:41,216 Maybe we should come back? 897 00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:43,636 Hey. Hello. 898 00:36:43,660 --> 00:36:45,386 Douglas Roberts, we're here to question you 899 00:36:45,410 --> 00:36:47,596 about murders and demons. 900 00:36:47,620 --> 00:36:49,870 That should get his attention. 901 00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:53,870 I am just an intern. 902 00:36:58,750 --> 00:37:02,316 So clearly we're not deceased, which means... 903 00:37:02,340 --> 00:37:03,906 we saved you from certain death. 904 00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:05,316 I'm not sure how certain it was, right? 905 00:37:05,340 --> 00:37:06,946 It felt pretty certain to me. 906 00:37:06,970 --> 00:37:08,366 Please don't kill us. 907 00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:09,866 We will join your cult. Is there a membership fee 908 00:37:09,890 --> 00:37:11,496 or a secret handshake? 909 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:12,746 - I love a secret handshake. - Ignore her. 910 00:37:12,770 --> 00:37:14,246 She's not right in the head. 911 00:37:14,270 --> 00:37:16,036 In fact, she has short-term memory issues. 912 00:37:16,060 --> 00:37:17,836 So if you let her go now, she won't remember any of this. 913 00:37:17,860 --> 00:37:19,626 Just shut up. No one's going anywhere. 914 00:37:19,650 --> 00:37:21,530 I mean, technically, we're all going somewhere. 915 00:37:25,490 --> 00:37:27,886 All right, let them go. Put your hands up. 916 00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:31,540 Up against the Jeep, now. Let's go. 917 00:37:36,330 --> 00:37:38,566 Hey. 918 00:37:38,590 --> 00:37:41,146 Thanks for trying to save me, even though 919 00:37:41,170 --> 00:37:42,936 I'm the one who put us in danger. 920 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,646 No problem. 921 00:37:44,670 --> 00:37:46,656 I was about to do the same thing, but you just 922 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,196 beat me to it. 923 00:37:48,220 --> 00:37:50,406 - I can be noble, too. - No doubt. 924 00:37:50,430 --> 00:37:52,616 I get very claustrophobic. 925 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,706 Can I just point out how claustrophobic I get, please? 926 00:37:54,730 --> 00:37:57,126 So when did you and Douglas meet? 927 00:37:57,150 --> 00:37:58,456 In the movie. 928 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,206 He was, you know, so commanding and driven 929 00:38:02,230 --> 00:38:04,086 and everything I wasn't. 930 00:38:04,110 --> 00:38:06,256 When did he start talking about killing the demon? 931 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,546 It was, at least a year after that. 932 00:38:08,570 --> 00:38:11,216 He would call me late at night 933 00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:13,306 and talk about the demon and how scared 934 00:38:13,330 --> 00:38:14,846 he was for the world, 935 00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:17,476 and eventually it started to make sense. 936 00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:20,646 And he told you that someone was possessed? 937 00:38:20,670 --> 00:38:22,630 Correct. Her name was Cynthia. 938 00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:27,156 She cried when I tied her up, and she kept saying 939 00:38:27,180 --> 00:38:29,566 that she was not a demon. 940 00:38:29,590 --> 00:38:31,390 She begged me to believe her, and... 941 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,786 at that point, he was very deep in my head. 942 00:38:38,810 --> 00:38:41,206 And then tonight, you know, all the lies 943 00:38:41,230 --> 00:38:43,376 he was spewing at the end, 944 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,216 it was like somebody turned on a light switch. 945 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,836 I could just see him for who he was. 946 00:38:47,860 --> 00:38:49,450 So pathetic. 947 00:38:52,450 --> 00:38:54,990 We'll need you to write up a detailed confession. 948 00:38:59,710 --> 00:39:01,460 I would like to make a deal. 949 00:39:03,170 --> 00:39:05,736 We have already located your co-conspirators. 950 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,906 You don't really have anything to offer. 951 00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:12,050 You don't want to know what an alien spaceship looks like? 952 00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:19,036 I am all that stands between the world and damnation. 953 00:39:19,060 --> 00:39:20,916 So all of the people that you had targeted, 954 00:39:20,940 --> 00:39:24,706 they had to die for the greater good? 955 00:39:24,730 --> 00:39:28,466 Yes, and my heart breaks for each of them. 956 00:39:28,490 --> 00:39:31,506 But I will not let innocents fall to perdition. 957 00:39:31,530 --> 00:39:33,636 Ok, have you had your fill of bs? 958 00:39:33,660 --> 00:39:34,806 God, yes. 959 00:39:34,830 --> 00:39:35,886 Ok, me, too. 960 00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:40,266 So, first victim, Cynthia green. 961 00:39:40,290 --> 00:39:42,516 You dated for two years before she cheated on you. 962 00:39:42,540 --> 00:39:45,476 Marcus Ford, he worked as a teamster on your movie, 963 00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:48,276 then later sued you for nonpayment. 964 00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:52,526 Pamela Jones wrote a scathing review of your movie. 965 00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:55,786 Really? I... I had no idea. 966 00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:59,156 All seven victims were people who wronged you in some way. 967 00:39:59,180 --> 00:40:01,036 You don't even believe in the demon. 968 00:40:01,060 --> 00:40:03,076 You just used it as a tool to get people with weak minds 969 00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:04,980 to do your dirty work for you. 970 00:40:07,110 --> 00:40:08,876 Exactly. 971 00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:10,506 I was the director. 972 00:40:10,530 --> 00:40:12,796 I think you'll find I never laid a finger 973 00:40:12,820 --> 00:40:14,636 on any of the victims. 974 00:40:14,660 --> 00:40:18,120 And I think you will find that man son died in prison. 975 00:40:20,290 --> 00:40:21,806 All right. 976 00:40:21,830 --> 00:40:23,306 Anything else? 977 00:40:23,330 --> 00:40:25,226 No, I think we got everything. 978 00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:27,356 Ok. 979 00:40:27,380 --> 00:40:29,686 - That was a crazy one? - Tell me about it. 980 00:40:29,710 --> 00:40:31,856 And look, thanks so much for all of your time, 981 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,486 and for saving our lives. 982 00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:35,026 Anything for my favorite documentarian. 983 00:40:35,050 --> 00:40:36,326 Actually, the only documentarian I know. 984 00:40:36,350 --> 00:40:37,406 Not true. 985 00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:39,616 - I'm a documentarian too. - Of course. 986 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,496 Yes... speaking of, how did this whole 987 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,496 working together thing go? 988 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,746 Is this the start of a beautiful friendship? 989 00:40:46,770 --> 00:40:48,456 I don't know. 990 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,166 I mean, we have very different styles 991 00:40:50,190 --> 00:40:52,676 and instincts and, well, basically everything, 992 00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:55,160 but I'd be open to another collaboration. 993 00:40:57,330 --> 00:41:00,386 It's just I... 994 00:41:00,410 --> 00:41:03,516 I kind of signed an exclusive three-film deal with hulu? 995 00:41:03,540 --> 00:41:05,606 What? 996 00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:07,356 Yeah, I... I sent them a sizzle reel of this project, 997 00:41:07,380 --> 00:41:10,226 just the me parts, and they freaked. 998 00:41:10,250 --> 00:41:11,936 Said I'm gonna be "the new face of true crime." 999 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,526 - Their words. - Wow. 1000 00:41:13,550 --> 00:41:15,906 I mean, you'd probably be able to bring him along, 1001 00:41:15,930 --> 00:41:16,946 though, right? 1002 00:41:16,970 --> 00:41:19,890 Totally. Totally. 1003 00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:25,456 I gotta go, but thanks again. Hello. 1004 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,150 No, I said Toronto and then cannes. 1005 00:41:30,110 --> 00:41:32,086 She'll probably call you. 1006 00:41:32,110 --> 00:41:33,110 No. 1007 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,320 Damn it.